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Montoursville, PA

Enter...a new product called OxiDate.

OxiDate reduces disease pressure through a powerful oxidation chemical reaction that kills existing disease and spores, on contact. Killing spores is the most important step in preventing disease cycles and crop loss as a result of disease.

Includes control of: in or on the soil : Belly Rot, Root Rots, fusarium wilt, Phthium, Phytophthora and Rhizoctonia.

Foliar Disease Control of: Alternaria, Anthraconose, downy Mildew, Gummy Stem Blight, Leaf Spot and Powdery Mildew.

It has recently been OMRI approved.

Fertrell is selling the product. The web site, of Bio Safe Systems, gives more data, on use and application. The per use cost per 1000 Sq.Ft. of patch is very inexpensive.

8/24/2005 5:45:56 PM

Ohio

How much is it doc? Sounds good by the reading on the web site but I cant find a price on it. Maybe pumpkin supply will have it soon.

Brooks

8/24/2005 7:14:19 PM

Hayes, Virginia

Doc Thanks for the post.

8/24/2005 7:21:49 PM

Long Island,New York

Steve...what is this stuff? (hee-hee-hee)

8/24/2005 8:13:30 PM

NEPA [email protected] KB3QKV

Doc, We were talking Saturday about my one plant and this may help it. Thanks for the great post.

8/24/2005 10:14:52 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

Sounds like Zerotol to me...40% hydrogen peroxide.

8/24/2005 10:35:10 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

I was wrong it is Hydrogen Dioxode..so Its HO2. Instead of H2O2..

8/24/2005 10:38:17 PM

Somers, CT

Doc, tell us more. I got wiped out this year. Three killer plants and it was ugly. Wife now wants me to pick between pumpkins, garden, guitar, piano, school, work, fishing, waterskiing, the dog and work. Looks like work is gonna lose again. I still have one small one going. Next year.

8/24/2005 11:07:43 PM

South Western Pa

Sorry, nothing new here except somebody different trying to take your money.

Hydrogen dioxide is the exact same thing as Hydrogen Peroxide, H2O2 and it’s about 50 cents a bottle at Walmart.

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/biopesticides/ingredients/factsheets/factsheet_000595.htm


Mark

8/24/2005 11:08:49 PM

Montoursville, PA

Contact Fertrell, in your area, for pricing. Their dealer network is, in their catalog, on line.

8/24/2005 11:34:30 PM

Ohio

NO,NO,NOOOOOOOO! TELL ME IT ISNT TRUE MARK!!!!!..*holding doc in a head lock*NOOOOOO ITS GOT TO BE A MISTAKE SOMEWHERE!YOU CAN FIX IT DOCTOR CANT YOU!! CANT YOU DOCTOR!!??LOL

8/25/2005 3:52:18 AM

Ontario, Canada.

The MsDS reads 27% hydrogen dioxide. Does Walmart really sell that high concentration stuff? I remember seeing only 3 or 10% solutions in stores.

Will foliar application to run off hurt beneficial fungi in the soil?

What is the mix per gallon considering the differing concentrations of the stock solution? 3% 10% and 27%

Doc, thanks for the link. It is another tool we can use.

8/25/2005 8:35:27 AM

Ontario, Canada.

Doc, I'm sorry but I don't find the product on the Fertrell web site. Could you please provide a link.

8/25/2005 8:44:08 AM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

You can find 40% hydrogen peroxide at any beauty supply store.. You guys ask the girl that cuts your hair and she can get it 50% cheaper. The stuff at walmart would do just the same dilute at 10:1 for a .3% solution.

8/25/2005 9:08:50 AM

South Western Pa

Hydrogen dioxide is a synonym for hydrogen peroxide. The chemical makeup is the SAME EXACT H2O2. It’s a marketing ploy. Some will not realize hydrogen dioxide and hydrogen peroxide are the same and jump on it thinking it’s a new discovery.

Yes the Walmart hydrogen peroxide ( aka Hydrogen Dioxide ) is a lower concentration, but you are not going to apply even a 3% solution undiluted. If you want to buy a higher concentration go to a beauty supply store and get it. It’s used for dying hair and it’s cheap.

I respect Dwaines knowledge and have learned a lot from him. I agree with 99.9% of his posts, however I do disagree with this one. Hydrogen Peroxide/Dioxide is non selective. It’s going to kill the good and the bad bacteria and fungi wherever you spray it. But I’m not arguing the efficacy of this product, my whole point was just to say you overpaying for a common household product.


Good Luck

Mark

8/25/2005 9:09:32 AM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

I think a better more stable method would be Calcium Peroxide add to the patch in the granular form. Tilled in during the spring. OxyCal or Soil Blaster it is used to increase nutrient take up.

8/25/2005 9:21:42 AM

South Western Pa

My last post on this, promise.

Just found a price quote for this stuff, $224 for 2.5 gallons.

http://store.arbico-organics.com/1222501.html

To get the same amount of hydrogen peroxide even buying the little bottle at Walmart would only cost $90.

2.5 gallons = 20 pints

1 pint 3% solution at Walmart = $.50

20pints X $.50/pint = $10

To allow for the difference in concentration ( 27% vs 3% ) multiply by 9

9 X $10 = $90

Anyhow that’s all I got on this subject.

Mark

8/25/2005 9:22:51 AM

Ontario, Canada.

Thanks Mark and Shannon for the clarification.

Could it be used in severe out of control cases of PM?

I have several non competitive plants that are becoming PM infectious blights in my Cornerstone patches. This seams to be a way to quickly gain back control if used in moderation.

8/25/2005 9:25:25 AM

Ontario, Canada.

This has certainly been a good thread. we haven't had a good one like this in a long time.

How about one on Senescence

8/25/2005 9:31:29 AM

Western NY

i'm a little late here but i'll chime in on the Ca2O2. I've used it before, and if you're really smart about how youy go about using it, it could work out very well. however, it will jump your pH way up so be prepared.

8/25/2005 9:47:58 PM

Montoursville, PA

I have spoken with the Fetrell representatives at the corporate offices. If you are interested you should too.
I find this thread interesting too. Lot of smoke being blown about the area. If it were not a very good product ready to meet it's claims I doubt that a quality firm like Fertrell would be involved.

To answer one question....Yes it is non selective but it is very effective as a foliar. With little run off there would be no poison concerns as would be with some other products claiming, to do the same thing. The only persons possibly not interested in this type of controll would be serious users of the occupation theory when using aerobic teas. In which case the product likely would not be needed anyway.

I presented this expecting all kinds of comments. Nice that no one chose to attack. The use per 1000 square foot price I was given from Bainbridge, home of Fertrell figured down to a number so low it would not be mentioned by me. You who are interested do the homework as it applies to your location.

8/26/2005 4:07:24 PM