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http://www.edenbio.com/garden/

4/12/2006 7:20:32 PM

Syracuse, NY

whoops---i did a site search AFTER i posted
and there has been some discussion before--sorry.
but still, how does anyone PreSEntly feel about it...
i was thinking of using it early-on UNTIL
some fruits took-off, just to get the plants big and healthy in time fo' tha' settin', lol....

4/12/2006 7:28:55 PM

Puyallup, WA

Some folk say that it "helps".....others notice no difference...I've even read that it slows down growth. Now,just who do you want to believe?

4/12/2006 8:50:05 PM

Western NY

i have some, haven't had the guts to try it out on a competition plant yet. worried about early maturity problems, but i didn't notice much of a difference on the vegetables.

4/12/2006 8:55:11 PM

Alaska

I tried it back in 2001 and didn't notice any real increase in plant growth. If it boost a plants immune system it may be a good preventative spray. It's cheap, so you won't be out much if ya don't like the results. Later Scott.

4/12/2006 11:03:51 PM

[email protected]

It looks similar to a product I use called Superthrive. They refer to this one as a plant hormone..

4/12/2006 11:34:38 PM

Syracuse, NY

andy--you have me worried.
with a name like WOLF and
a 1407 to your credits, but... no guts?
ha ha ha

it supposedly works for about three weeks at a time, like a red alert that subsides. ahhh, well, it CAN get expensive, but not for just like one or two plants. hmmmmm.....
i was thinking of hitting a few leaves with a propane torch
once in a while. there was a seminar once where they talked of this, no kidding! if THAT doesn't put your plant on high alert, what else will? plants are tricky---we are trickier.

4/13/2006 1:11:07 AM

Cologne / Germany

They show an example with geraniums. This is a "woody" plant. Rooting hormones etc. might be ok for this plant type, but pumpkins are "water" plants and do not consist of woody parts.
I tried to speed up the root development of some clones last time with no results at all. Applying the rooting powder to the rooting points of the vine ended up with no roots LOL.
So if you buy that stuff, it should be recommended for using on pumpkins. Same goes for mykorrhiza.

4/13/2006 6:07:26 AM

[email protected]

I've never used Messenger (Harpin) nor have any of my customers that I have polled. We do have some interest & some orders for it this year. But these applicatio0ns will be limited to bedding plants in both greenhouse & landscape settings.

Messenger (Harpin) seems to regulate a plants insect repellency via "Ethylene signal Transduction" (ET) which signals pests to stay away. Not a lot has been published about Pumpkins, but there is some out there re Cucumbers.

Check this link:

http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/136/3/3628#FIG1

This researchers work suggests a positive growth effect on cucumber seedlings (when seed treated) early. Remember that ethylene gas does cause a maturation of fruit. It thus stands to some people's reasoning that a ripening effect can occur earlier in the season due to the ET.

Flaming the plants is probably not much different from other types of stress induction to make tougher plants. However I'd probably stop at drought conditioning for competition plants.

Harpin works a lot like Aspirin by inducing Systemic Acquired Resistance (SAR) which is a plants natural RESPONSE to stress. The idea is to cause the natural defense mechanism BEFORE a real attack has taken place.

In the case of widespread edu testing Harpin hasn't done very well.

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Harpin.pdf

Too soon to tell for me. I LOVE the idea & I hate the lack of valid data that has been collected & published.

4/13/2006 7:26:05 AM

Dallas, Oregon

for what its worth, i used this product 2 years ago and feel that it screwed up my plants. never,never will i use this again. when it first came out it was $20.00, the next year it was half the price.probably trying to unload it.we all want to find that edge in growing a big one and like myself end up shooting ourselves in the foot. if 5 years of growing has taught me anything its been to keep it simple. leave the foo-foo juice and the magic pixies powder alone.

4/13/2006 8:11:14 PM

Syracuse, NY

thank you all! i will check out the links
whenever i am not so darned busy----eric
i just spent the big wad on some BioGrow
Endo-Plus, so i will probably not embark on experimentation
with this stuff right now, lol....
but, at least i will do what i have always wanted to:
inoculate an entire plant's growing area with Mycorrhizae.
and, plop it on there as i bury the vines. DOE!!!

4/14/2006 7:44:34 PM