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Santa Cruz, CA

I would imagine that the 723 Bobier in probably next to impossible to get. yes? Is there another seed like the 723 Bobier that is proven? I'm interested in crossing it with the 1180 Daletas.

11/29/2006 11:28:56 PM

Eugene,OR

The 845 Bobier is the same cross and has a similar legacy. It is pricey and hard to come by, but not quite as pricey and hard to come by as a 723. There are other "generic" 935 Lloyd x 865 Mettler crosses out there, but none are really proven. They are kind of like comparing a Buick Riviera to a Jaguar. They look a fair amount alike...but they aren't really.

11/30/2006 12:58:11 AM

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I don't think it is fair to judge the other Lloyd X Mettler crosses as Buicks when none of the Jaguar drivers have ever taken one out on the track. In most cases all it would take is one good grower to haave one good year to make one hot seed.

The thing is that the best growers can have any seed they want so the copies are rarely (if ever) planted by them.

11/30/2006 7:43:03 AM

Western NY

my 420 from this year is from the 716 Miller, and pollinated with the 865 mettler. the 716 is a sibbed 935 lloyd. let me know if you want any.

Steve is right, though. the true remakes never really got planted. i'm sure if you're looking for the 714 or 838 Bobier, 550 Andrews, or any of the other remakes out there, it should be fairly easy to get.

11/30/2006 8:10:46 AM

Indiana

my 409 is 935 x 865. It has never been given a real shot. I grew it to 631 lbs one year, but it got sick and died really early. I think it was bacterial wilt.

Tom

11/30/2006 10:06:37 AM

Eugene,OR

I think what I meant by the Buick Riviera/Jaguar analogy has more to do with prestige, perception and ego than theoretical potential. I didn't mean any offense to the growers of the lesser known 935x835 crosses. As far as that goes I have an 845x898 cross (and its reverse) that I grew last year...but I don't have any illusion of it becoming the next 1068 Wallace. On paper it looks the same as the 1068 Wallace, but I just don't get the same goosebumps when I think about growing it as I do whan I think about growing a 1068...and my Mom's Riviera is a nice car, but I'll let her drive it.

11/30/2006 12:04:35 PM

Minnesota([email protected])

The 1097 Beachy(845 X 723) may be one to consider. It's a well known seed, that could make your cross more desireble to plant, than if pollinated by a lesser known, but similar genetic.

11/30/2006 1:26:35 PM

Minnesota([email protected])

I'll add that the 524 Reid 05 is: 1180 Delatas X 1097.5 Beachy. There are three progeny listed on the AGGC. They ranged from 12+% to 16+% over the estimate. The largest offspring is 1014 lbs.

11/30/2006 1:58:47 PM

Puyallup, WA

Hold on to your hats my fellow AG growers! The PNWGPG has a 723 that will be auctioned on January 20th. This might well be the last 723 known to mankind!

11/30/2006 2:40:17 PM

Eugene, OR

I believe the PGVG also has one in the auction this Sunday night. I wonder what these 723's will go for?

11/30/2006 4:34:46 PM

Utah

how many seeds did the 723 have ?
if it was like a typical AG then it had say 500 seeds.
The AGGC lists 115 prgeny. We know that not every thing makes it there. Se lets be conservative and say twice that many didn't make it there for whatever reason... that is 230.
Then 115+230= 345
So here is my question... where are the other 155 seeds?
...if it only had 400 seeds then there are still 55 out there somewhere.
...on the flip side what if it had 600 seeds then there are still 255 out there.
Where are they ?!

11/30/2006 4:51:46 PM

Minnesota([email protected])

Good question Gordon.....any answers...guesses?

11/30/2006 5:06:49 PM

Greencastle, PA

My bet is Jerry Rose's freezer.

11/30/2006 5:43:11 PM

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Bill's sock drawer.

11/30/2006 5:43:20 PM

Greencastle, PA

also, I think the 838 Bobier grew something over 900 lbs

11/30/2006 5:44:35 PM

Rhode Island

the mice ate them

11/30/2006 6:20:58 PM

Ontario, Canada.

IMHO. There are really so many diverse seed stocks out there now that just about anything can produce well over a 1,000 pounds. Grower technique and organics are pushing this hobby along and into new territory. Soil science has become a large factor and the many differing seed stocks are enabling a wide range of growers to achieve very impressive and broad based results no matter what the cross. There are plenty of examples of great seed crosses that sit on shelves gathering dust. The randomness of our annual unproven selections pretty much suggest that some un-planted progeny are equipped with the right stuff too.

If you disect the 1068 Wallace selection, Pap has stated it was a consensus decision to grow this seed in the beginning by several growers that launched it to stardom. They proved it by sticking and commiting to it. Clubs are using this same tactic to launch their own blends in hopes of catching a rocket in a bottle. Some seeds are truly better than others as the 1068 clearly demonstrates. This may in some ways seam contradictory. However the meaans by which the 1068 was discovered demonstrates that mass planting helps to quickly indentify the potential within. Sleeper seeds are all around us and they can weigh as little as 125 pounds or less!

The past world records very by a wide margin in our own narrowly perceived defined term of genetic diversity. Are they in reality not that much different?

11/30/2006 7:52:50 PM

Montoursville, PA

The 723 went slippery seedsie.......That indicates there have been more traded, sold, held in inventory and grown than the fruit produced. :))

11/30/2006 10:06:20 PM

Napa Valley, CA

Any remaining 723's are probably in a shoebox under Lincoln Mettler's bed.

11/30/2006 11:47:29 PM

Pocatello ([email protected])

kahuna5 is right on.

> Sleeper seeds are all around us and they can weigh as little as 125 pounds or less!

Like the 125 Wolf 05. Planted only twice and went over 1000 each time. Pollinator was perhaps one of the best of the seeds in that 723.

12/1/2006 11:28:02 AM

Santa Cruz, CA

Thanks everyone for the help! It sounds like the 723 will go for a high bid on Sunday night. I'm going to look into all your alternate suggestions. Thanks! What were the genetics on the 125 Wolf?

12/1/2006 7:26:25 PM

Western NY

125 was from the 658 wolf, pollinated by the 723 bobier that grew my big one.

the 658 is a selfed 846 calai.

there were a few others grown this year besides the 2 that made it over 1000. a couple had troubles, but for some reason all those who tried it seem to really want to grow the seed again.

12/1/2006 7:58:45 PM