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Lexington, Ky

Any thoughts on this? Any success stories? Pro's vs Con's?

Jamie

12/2/2006 11:17:35 AM

Indiana

With the number of great seeds out there it makes absolutely no sense to plant an open pollinated seed.

12/2/2006 11:55:00 AM

Clinton, Iowa

OK let's say Jack Larue plants his 1315 2006 fruit (1081.5 2005 Larue X Open) in 2007....For just for giggles let's say he sports a nice decent fruit in the 1300#'s or say 1400's of heck...Let's say he gets "REAL LUCKY" and throws one out there that makes it into the 1500's.....NOW does that make good enough sense to try that Open pollinated seed ?? Just asking..??
DAN

12/2/2006 2:01:28 PM

Rhode Island

dan

nothing wrong with planting a open pollinated seed stock as long as your interest is just for a one season result.

for the grower who plans his crosses ahead of time it is worthless for future planning.

besides that open pollinated fruit could have been pollinated with your next door neighbors field pumpkins for all you know, then what?

just my opinion.

pap

12/2/2006 2:22:29 PM

[email protected]

If it wasn't for open seeds we wouldn't be here. LOL No one close pollinated seeds 30 years ago.

12/2/2006 4:58:17 PM

Long Island,New York

30 years ago??? I wish...try 15 !! The stories I've heard were that growers routinely picked 3 males and laid them on the ground besides the female sometimes....then let bees do it.....
ps...field pkns won't pollinate AG's but we get the point...the hubbard next door can and god forbid someone's growing a greenie in the area !!!

12/2/2006 5:15:04 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

True Tremor, it might be what made some of those earlier genetics great today, just enough heinz 57 later on to make that strong seed. Im just wondering if enventually continually crossing with the very similar genetic lines will cause problems. I have no idea, I would like to hear Howards, Nics, Paps, Tom B's and other BIGs ideas on this....will it eventually cause problems???, Im thinkin we throw some greenies back into it and several growers have, AND very smart indeed..... Will be interesting to monitor ehh?

12/2/2006 5:18:20 PM

Rhode Island

i like the idea of bringing in a male pollinator for our 1068 from a line thats completely (as much as possible )outside the 1068 genetics.
i tried it this year by using a 887 orr seeds from the mid ninties but for whatever reason the plant that we had the 887 pollinated 1068 on did very little.

will try again next year with a cross thats yet to be determined ( more research is needed first )open for possibilities

pap

12/3/2006 12:59:26 AM

Rapid City, SD

maybe the bees know something we don't

12/3/2006 1:40:52 PM

Rapid City, SD

well....maybe not........lol

12/3/2006 1:41:34 PM

Rapid City, SD

but i wished i could fly!

12/3/2006 1:42:13 PM

Clinton, Iowa

Ah yes But the Message Tommy wrote was that "it made absolutely no sense to grow and open pollinated seed" I guess I was making a case for some seed that would or could produce a big one.....and as far as using it with a controlled pollinated seed for the following year.....Would not bother me to go that route..But we all have our own agendas and practices and that is what makes this such a great hobby.
I know alot of people are into making crosses and doing this or that with certain lines...Frankly I really don't put the amount of time in it that others have.Call me lazy call me a terrible grower or whatever... Basically we cross what traits we like as the plants are growing and or what plants have produced past years...does That make sense...??
I grew a 845 bobier once....I know it is great seed and others have done well with it...I personally would not grow it again if I got one for free....Mine was such a pain in the butt.. The plant was absolutely terrible to work with. I had talked with others and they (some) had seen the same thing so I promised my self I would not waste my time with it again. I must have trained atleast 11 different main vines as everything kept snapping off..Hooking up and snapping off ..over and over again.that is why I never used it to cross into anything i grew that year..why would you want the chance to introduce something like that into your plant?
I am not slamming one particular seed just using that as an example as what we are looking at plant wise when we are looking at our cross possiblities.
With all the people out there doing tons and tons of crosses. Most of them AWESOME in their own right. If I want or am looking for a certain cross I ask and go after what is out there. I do usually look for ones that have proven themselves.
DAN
PS....MATT I wish I could fly also!!! :o)

12/3/2006 4:46:10 PM

Leamington, Ont.

The 898 has an OPEN, multiple and some not-specified all in it's genetics... ;)

12/3/2006 9:27:29 PM

Montoursville, PA

I 'aint going to say nothing. That would be best said in my opinion but I happen to agree. That is based on the seed of some other wild over vigerous results I have noticed. Maybe with more experiece I would be able to handle a mustang seed. :)) Been there and done that.

12/4/2006 10:22:06 AM

Salem, OR

A lot of "Open" pumpkins were hand pollinated but the flowers weren't protected and the AGGC rule is that they have to be listed as "open." I'm thinking there's open and then there's OPEN, and that if the grower made the cross but didn't protect flowers that the majority of the pollen will be what he intended. Not for purists, I know, but practically speaking, fairly accurate--what do you all think? By the way, I don't remember just what cross Jack said his 1315 was, but I'm fairly sure that he didn't say "open"--I think even my 44 year old ears would have caught that (maybe not!--any comments Jack?)

12/5/2006 1:08:50 AM

Clinton, Iowa

I see on the aggc site it was listed as Open...sounded kinds funny to me on that with it being listed as open...BUT I bet it was a controlled cross...and I was just using it as an example.....
good points by all....
DAN

12/5/2006 6:49:13 AM