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Ohio

Its winter time and I had a stupid but kinda fun question for growers and their seed selections.
Has anyone ever grown a seed just because the seed was neat looking, like, big, small, fuzzy,bald, or just because it was just plain diffrent then any seed they have ever seen ,and grew it no matter what the cross was?

I always open my seeds up when I get them from other growers just to see what they look like but mostly to see what color the mother of their seed produced.

I open Kevin Companion's seeds up last year and was looking at his seeds and came across his 621 seed of 2005 (961 Daletas x 1260 Weir). Its one of the neatest seeds I have ever seen ,not only is it thick but it has these neat little double,kinda triple edges on the seed. Im growing it this year because its just a plain mean looking seed that is saying grow me,lol.
I also lucked out because the cross is a good one as well, but even if I didnt like the cross of this seed I would still be planting it.

Can you tell winter is here yet?,LOL

Brooks

12/18/2006 5:23:17 AM

Cameron,ontario Team Lunatic

Brooks

I have a theory about those funny looking seeds. I really believe that they are the ones that double or even ribbon vine out on us. I've been watching seeds like that for a couple years now & all have doubled up on me. It might be the only way we can tell if a seed will double up on us before it hits the dirt. Even the ones that only show a little extra edge on it could be a problem later in the patch. Maybe growers that plant suspect seeds could report back their results. Just a thought. I would like to hear what other growers think this topic though. It sure would save a lot of grief later on if this was the case.

Phil

12/18/2006 7:11:11 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

I noticed that my selfed 1233.5 Reiss seeds were smaller than the original Reiss seed I planted. Noted this due to my curiousity on selfed and observations with other seeds I have selfed in the garden.

12/18/2006 9:27:48 AM

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Phil, I have the same theory, I have also noticed this, and the larger the seed in the group seems to have genetic flaws, I planted 4 of my own seeds in a test patch I have, and I purposely planted 2 larger, and 2 smaller seeds, and both of the larger seeds were double vined. The 723 I planted last year, which was the biggest one of the 4 I had, flat vined on me, the second largest, I sent to Clarence Koch and he had problems with females showing up.
Eddy

12/18/2006 10:03:16 AM

Ohio

Phil, I think you might be right now that you mention it. I did have a seed with a double type edge on it double vine on me last year, thats weird isnt it? Its almost like the seed wants to grow in the shape of two seeds. Maybe this is why we are seeing the double vine also, I dunno?, Im planting this 621 and Ill let you know what it does, be interesting to see.

Brooks

12/18/2006 9:49:22 PM

Ohio

1320 grew my 260 seed last year, and the only reason he planted it was because he said it was the biggest seed he has ever seen. Im not sure, but I think it double vined on em.
Jamie, did it double on you or did something eles happen to it?
Brooks

12/18/2006 9:55:36 PM

Lexington, Ky

Brooks, your 260 didn't double, it grew just fine. Est weight before losing it was 516. Very nice shape, good orange, a well behaved plant.

Now, this 1097 Beachy that I received this week....looks like a watermelon seed....wtf?!

12/18/2006 11:09:16 PM

Ontario, Canada.

what about seeds that are rippled or wrinkled. They seam to be common in my fruit too. I've never germinated one but this is similar to Phil's thought.

12/19/2006 12:35:15 AM

Cameron,ontario Team Lunatic

I've never tried wrinkled ones, so I'm really not sure about them. The only ones that have consistantly done this are ones that have an extra edge on the top of the seed casing. It might be a well defined extra edge or it could be one that the extra edge is barely visible. It's just something that I've noticed over the past few years. I now check each of my seeds before I start them & if I suspect that it will double, I usually plant a second one. If it's a big named seed, well you just hope & pray it doesn't happen. I've had it happen to two big-named seeds, but luckily I was able to get the plants to straighten up after a bit of trimming. Anyone else noticed this? I'd like to hear more from others.

Phil

12/19/2006 6:49:58 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

What about seeds that are split Seed casing). I have a few that arrived from growers that way. Is this not due to drying too fast? (Heat) Are these seeds done for? I would think if they are viable they would not last too long.....Experiences?

12/19/2006 10:56:00 AM

I had one fruit with all the seeds split on the "face" not the edges,,I asked and was told "perhaps a genetic thing",,seemed to make sense since all my seeds were harvested and dryed exactly the same way with none of this on any of the other fruit,,,,,I will be watching any other input on this question.

I can see that if the edges are split(prematue opening) there is a problem with harvest timing,drying,or storage...and the seed will be a "non-keeper".

12/19/2006 12:37:42 PM

Cameron,ontario Team Lunatic

The ones that are split on the face of the seed are okay to plant. I used them & found them to germinate fine & they grew without any vine problems. I find they germinate quicker than the others also. I never tried on that's split on the side, but I expect them to be the same as the others. Practice on a couple of split seeds & see what happens.

Phil

12/20/2006 6:15:52 AM